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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #320 on: February 04, 2026, 06:53:32 PM »
Great to hear you are going to continue on this.  Then.....a video of you driving off into the sunset.
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #321 on: February 05, 2026, 04:03:16 AM »
Oh man! This is what I've been waiting for at least! I'm not sure why im so invested in this build but maybe it's because it's what should have been....  Like you said though, not sure there are many folks left here anymore... Like nothing at all happening anymore. I feel the lights may go out soon..... If you're on FB or care to share your number with me, just so I can see this build through, PM me. I've made a few friends on here an don't mind adding another 😀 . Good luck with the build and God speed!
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #322 on: February 05, 2026, 05:08:47 AM »
Thanks Luke, and I'm not on FB. As a matter of fact, I'm 1 of 3 people in the world W/O a cell phone. Not on any social media. Just here, on these forums, and my Esnail. My only means of communication to the outside world. I had-ta review my thread, to see where I've left off. That's how long it's been on this project. More to come.
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #323 on: February 05, 2026, 06:20:14 AM »
No cell phone? 

Good.  Less to distract you while you finish this interesting project.

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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #324 on: February 06, 2026, 07:56:57 AM »
Oh man! This is what I've been waiting for at least! I'm not sure why im so invested in this build but maybe it's because it's what should have been....  Like you said though, not sure there are many folks left here anymore... Like nothing at all happening anymore. I feel the lights may go out soon..... If you're on FB or care to share your number with me, just so I can see this build through, PM me. I've made a few friends on here an don't mind adding another 😀 . Good luck with the build and God speed!

I feel exactly the same way about this build. I was very excited to see an update this AM! I do feel very invested in the build too and can't wait to hear it run.

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Re: 84 301T
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #325 on: February 06, 2026, 04:54:24 PM »
Here we go, men. Got the heat on in the garage. This is my focus. The linkage bracket on the frame is just a home-mader, and doesn't appear it'll work too well. The original bracket, (assy) from the factory 82 car, is a 2 piece afair, and I hear lots of negative about this set-up. I think I'm gunna remove mine, and remake it to use the holes that appear on the frame. (I marked them in yellow.)



And I just wasted a half hr trying to find these pics to post. :mad:
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #326 on: February 06, 2026, 07:08:15 PM »
So I finagled it for a bit, and went thru my scrounge steel, and angle iron, and can't find one single scrap piece of 3/16ths angle that I need. Maybe I can find something in work tomorrow. I think I could add onto my existing bracket. Will need-ta weld it together. I tried finding an original one (14078558) but I might as well been looking for the "Heart of the Sea" diamond.
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #327 on: February 06, 2026, 07:35:41 PM »
I love my scrap steel pile. So many tools and things have been built from it. Hopefully you can find something and get that clutch working!
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #328 on: February 06, 2026, 09:49:11 PM »
It's gettin close, Luke. I hope I can find something there to work. OFN.
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #329 on: February 08, 2026, 02:47:36 AM »
This is where a hydraulic clutch shines.

I tried for a few hours to get my linkage to work with a 5.3 - no dice.  And the exhaust manifold and pipe were dead in the way.

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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #330 on: February 08, 2026, 11:04:51 AM »
I hear ya SB. When there isn't any alternatives, I can see using hyds, but these third gens did have a mech. system that "did" work, but from many, say not too reliably. So because we're armed with this knowledge, and have experienced their weak points, I'm hoping to modify those area's to improve those deficiencies. Maybe, to the point of installing bearings in the ends of the bell crank, rather than a ball pivot. "Maybe". (Depending on the possibility, or availability ). But 1st I need-ta keep moving on this 2 piece frame bracket, for the pedal end of the Z-bar. If anyone has one of these in their "spare parts" bin, I would pay an inflated price for one.

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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #331 on: February 08, 2026, 03:05:15 PM »
Just spent a few hrs in the cold garage, cold, even with the heater. I think it's 10° outside. Wanted to make the last bracket, but found before I could come up with accurate dimensions, I needed to reinvestigate the lengths of the pedal pushrod, and the clutch fork rod. The clutch rod is adjustable, but the pedal pushrod is not. It appeared the pedal pushrod was an inch or 2 longer than it should be. Don't know why, it's the stock pushrod, and the eng. ball location is the same on both chevy and Poncho. Maybe the pedals and pushrod aren't for a V-8? Don't know, but I was able to find some scrounge rods in my junk stash. "Almost" the same as the stock one. Don't know where they came from. I was lookin in my shifter pile of leftovers, and found one serviceable, and one with the end cut/broke(?) off. I was able to also find a 1/2" diameter metal tube to use to support the 2 I cut to make one. Now with the rods locating the Z-bar correctly, I can come up with a plan to build a bracket. (Unless someone here has one to sell, B4 i build one)  :P
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #332 on: February 08, 2026, 09:27:29 PM »
I must have missed it, and I can go back and look again but what transmission are planning on running with the 301? ST10 or T5 or??? And you will need a specific flywheel for the 301. I had Joe at TTA Performance make mine. It's just a balance thing. Internal vs external.

Edit*** I see your plan is to use the T5. Still need the specific flywheel.
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #333 on: February 08, 2026, 09:36:34 PM »
I have a couple T5s. One cheapy, for fitment only, and 1 world class. If you remember a few pages back, I had-ta make the tilted tailhousing mount fit the crossmember with an aluminum wedge. And I did pick up a factory 301 flywheel, many yrs back. The bellhousing conundrum was worth looking back at. The 3rd gen forks were mounted lower than the traditional cars, so it's given me issues that I'm working thru. Just now, I came in from the garage, and hacked out a rough bracket for the bell crank. Needs mucho fitting, and cleanup. More pics to come. 
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #334 on: February 09, 2026, 04:39:41 AM »
Not to beat a dead horse but is it an actual 301 flywheel? I know many places say they are but in reality they are not. They will fit and work, they just aren't balanced correctly.  I believe many years ago  when I swapped a S10 into my 301 trans am, I just ran up to Murray's Auto parts and grabbed a flywheel. No biggie, it seemed to work and could have been correct as it was 30 years ago (the car wasn't that old then). Now, I find them but they also say they fit 400s and other engines in that family (which are balanced differently, so I know it can't be so.

Anyway, keep at it! Even though very few will understand it, I think it's cool!

Have you spoke with Joe over at TTA Performance? He'd probably love this! Real down to earth guy who enjoys the 301 builds.
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #334 on: February 09, 2026, 04:39:41 AM »

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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #335 on: February 09, 2026, 07:24:28 AM »
I am glad you got some heat in the garage and back at it. Looking forwards to seeing you driving it down that street of yours with 50 stop signs.




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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #336 on: February 09, 2026, 12:24:04 PM »
Glad to hear you're making progress. If I had any parts to help, I'd gladly send them your way but I don't have any third gen stuff. Although, I really want to pick up an 87 IROC someday.

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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #337 on: February 09, 2026, 02:21:06 PM »
I had a 89 gta and a 88 Iroc. Bought them both just to get the drive lines. Too bad because they both had great bodies and they would be valuable today. But, people like me helped make them valuable....
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #338 on: February 09, 2026, 03:45:41 PM »
Not to beat a dead horse but is it an actual 301 flywheel?
Have you spoke with Joe over at TTA Performance? He'd probably love this! Real down to earth guy who enjoys the 301 builds.
Yes, it is definitely a 301 "externally" balanced flywheel. It has the big counter weight affixed to it. And many yrs ago, (B4 this project, when I had stored this 301T eng.), I gave away the balancer to a friend who needed one for his 301. Figuring I'ld never use this eng. Who'ld've thunk after yrs of driving 398s, 400, and 455s, I'ld be interested in a lowly 301? So I had-ta find a balancer for this eng. I've been balancing P+W engs for over 40 yrs, and tried to think of a way to balance automotive engs as a side business, but don't think the investment in equipment compared to the public interest warrants it.
And yes, I've have spoken to Joe on the phone for advice, and also comments on his videos, and he's been helpful in my questions. Not sure how enthusiastic he is with my 3rd gen, but I'm hoping he won't hold it against me.  :?
I am glad you got some heat in the garage and back at it. Looking forwards to seeing you driving it down that street of yours with 50 stop signs.
50 stop signs Jack!!?? Why would you say that? I hate stop lights and stop signs almost as much as I hate commercials. And how did you know my area under constant "progress" (thanks Amazon) has now installed a few more lights in my town. And they're always red! :x I have more important things to do with my life, (84 T/A) than waste what precious little time I have left, to sit and wait, for signals that no-one else is coming through. (OK, no more ranting) :lol: Just bustin on you Jack. Thanks for the comment, and hopefully you'll make some time with your F-bodies too.
Glad to hear you're making progress. If I had any parts to help, I'd gladly send them your way but I don't have any third gen stuff. Although, I really want to pick up an 87 IROC someday.
Thanks also to you RG, and start saving your...."nickels" (pennies are on their way out), cause this 3rd gen stuff is climbing in $ due to new popularity, and limited production.
And now to get out in the sweat shop, and continue working that 2nd clutch bracket.
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #339 on: February 09, 2026, 06:00:27 PM »
With this thread, I think we've started the kindling and maybe get some action on this site!
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #340 on: February 09, 2026, 10:24:09 PM »
We could use some kindling. As cold as it's been. Even in my garage with a propain heater, it's been havin a hard time keeping up. slow moving on that bracket tonite. My tooling's having a problem in the cold. Especially the air tools. :shock:
I did make progress, with a few more pics. Hopefully will get the bracket bolted to the frame soon. Then another attempt at clutch action.
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #341 on: February 11, 2026, 10:21:13 AM »
Kindling indeed.   

Portugal has been battered by 4 named storms in the last month.  Record flooding.  Currently windy and rainy.  But the suspension on my 71 is getting grungy so it is time to pressure wash it down and this is a wet job anyway, so thanks for the motivation.

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« Reply #342 on: February 11, 2026, 04:07:26 PM »
If I can do it SB. so can you. And you'll be glad you did.
Was "SO" close to bolting my home-made bracket last nite, but ran out of tapping tools. In one of the above photos, you can see the 2 factory holes for that bracket. (The ones I marked in yellow). Do you think they would be threaded? Of course not. They only made this foolish bracket assy for a yr and a half, before they went Hyd. And because I already had one half of the assy, I decided to make the second one. I can think of better ways of building one, but for now, I'll just play with this one, and see what transpires. Tonite, (the Mrs. goes out, so I have more garage time), I'm hoping to bolt it on and push on the pedal...again. Wish me luck, I'm gunna need it.  :?   
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #343 on: February 11, 2026, 04:51:06 PM »
If I can do it SB. so can you. And you'll be glad you did...

I could and did.  Damm wind really kicked up but got the task done.

Now need to see where it is leaking (front seal?).

Look forward to see how this mechanical setup of yours pans out.
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #344 on: February 11, 2026, 08:28:16 PM »
OK men, here we go. Made some progress tonite. I wish I could say the mech. clutch linkage is "done", but nothing in my garage is ever that easy. Got the bracket in place "temporarily", to give the system a test. If you've ever done any drag racing, and pushed on the pedal of a 3200 lb Borg and Beck pressure plate, you know how tough they are. Well, this system is tighter. (My pressure plate is a wimpy diaphragm.)  I got it to work, and it hasn't broken "yet", but until the binding is located, I probably won't be pushing it too much, cause something is out of whack. No way the 82 cars had this problem. One thing I don't and never had liked, was the Z bar upper pedal lever, is only a couple inches long. Not much leverage there. Then the pedal pushrod goes down on an angle from the pedal, and bends up going thru the firewall, out to the Z-bar lever. So you have this "bent" rod connecting them. And there's not much that can be done because the brake master cylinder is in the way. But once again, the factory must've made it work in 82, even tho I've never driven one. So here's some pics, as promised.

Below is the pedal pushrod situation. The lower one in the pic is the factory one, and for some reason is too long. (By a couple inches). Why? The ball location on the Pontiac block, is the same as the Chevy, so I don't understand why that is. Maybe because the clutch fork is different? Don't know, but we'll all find out, in time. 
I was fortunate enuff to have some scrounge rods in my stash, and they were to become one. The middle one has the end gone, and the top one had a good end, so I cut the 2 of them to length, and joined them with a steel sleeve I had that was a perfect line to line fit. I haven't tacked them together yet, in case some alterations are needed.


Once the rod was in place, because I found I had the small square factory frame bracket, (to the Z-bar end) I decided to try and fabricate the sister bracket that it bolts to. So just by going by pictures, this cabobulation below is what I came up with from scrap iron. Had a piece of 4" square tubing, 1/4" wall thichness, the same as the other bracket.  It ain't pretty yet but hopefully will serve its purpose. The other factory one is to the right.

So I drilled a hole to mate the 2 brackets, and lowered it onto the frame, just to get an idea. You can also see the sleeved pedal push rod.


Next comes trying to accurately locate the position of the bracket, to the frame. But before I could do that, I had to tap out the existing mount holes for the bracket. GM made them M8-1.25-20 thread, but I decided to cut them for some hardened aviation 12 point wired head bolts that I had, that were 5/16x20. Most of you know how to tap, so I didn't take any photos of that.
What I have below is "my" method of finding holes. Because me and trig didn't get along, I made a clear plastic template, after marking out the perimeter of the bracket, nestled in its correct location. If you look close enuff, you can see the silver pencil outline of the bracket, the black hole dots, and the clear plastic on top. Then I drilled the holes.

So here it is, all bolted up. Not very exciting, but hoping to get it debugged shortly. Now I need-ta clean my garage that looks like a bomb went off.


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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #344 on: February 11, 2026, 08:28:16 PM »

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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #345 on: February 12, 2026, 04:43:49 AM »
Wow, there is like no leverage there at all. No wonder there went ti hydraulic so quickly.  Maybe if you make another version a tad taller? I know you said the booster was in the way, but how far can you push it? (Length wise)
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #346 on: February 12, 2026, 07:22:50 AM »
Love the modifications. Looks like you're getting closer. So does that work the clutch now just with some binding?

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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #347 on: February 12, 2026, 03:28:59 PM »
Wow, there is like no leverage there at all. No wonder there went ti hydraulic so quickly.  Maybe if you make another version a tad taller? I know you said the booster was in the way, but how far can you push it? (Length wise)
That'll be my next step, to see if it's possible. Will post a pic when installed.
Love the modifications. Looks like you're getting closer. So does that work the clutch now just with some binding?
Excellent question. Was curious about that, or how much disengagement it had. Long to explain, but I'm sure you'll understand.

Before I made this "OEM" copied bracket, (dual bracket from the factory), I had made my own hodge podge one, just to see what I could conjure up. It's shown somewhere above, but I'll try and drop it down here. Anyway, when I had it hooked up, I "barely" had enuff pedal/fork travel, to make the clutch disc slip. I could barely slide in a .010 feeler gauge. The clutch fork was just touching the floor pan tunnel. (Before I hacked a hole in it for clearance.) That's about where I had left off with this project, quite some time ago. And I've "totally" forgotten how much tension was on the pedal when pushing it to the floor.
 
Now, with this new set-up, I was alone in the garage, trying to watch and see the linkage in operation. I finally recruited my daughter, (whose boyfriend assisted) in helping with this. Turns out, when the pedal is on the floor, it looked like the disc had a quarter inch clearance!!! :shock:Which is a good thing. Now I don't need the travel to disengage. At that time, it was late, and the force required to shove that pedal down was so  stiff, I'm afraid something is gunna give. So next, I'll try greasing the Z-bar/clutch balls, and other pivot points, and loosening the TOB pushrod a bit. Then stick on the brake booster temporarily, to see if I can extend the top lever. More pix to come.
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #348 on: February 13, 2026, 07:34:48 PM »
A buddy in work gave me a good tip, relating to the excessive pedal pressure. The pedal shaft, (heading and connecting upwards to the pivoting shaft/mount under the dash), has a couple holes for connecting...things (?). Like the pushrod to the Z bar, the rod that goes thru the firewall.  I didn't know if the second hole was for some kinda switch maybe (?), or a different pushrod for a different eng. ? Wonder if I have a photo of this.Here it is. (Took a while to find). If you zoom in, you can see the mock up threaded rod to determine pushrod length, in one hole, and the lower hole that's M/T. (This was when I was fabricating the hyd. system)


All I know is that I've had that pushrod in both holes. An upper hole, and the lower one might be a couple inches down from the upper one. When the pushrod was in the upper hole, (closer to the top pivot), the angle of the pushrod going thru the firewall was pretty severe. Maybe 45°? When I dropped it down to the lower hole, it had less of a angle to the Z-bar, which I thought to be beneficial. My friend seems to think if it were mounted in the upper hole, it would have more leverage, because of the increase in the arm length of the pedal to the pushrod hole. Which might reduce the pedal effort.
And now that I think of it, maybe when I was testing out my 1st Z-bar frame bracket, I don't remember any excessive pedal pressure. Not to say it wasn't just that I don't remember. And I believe the rod was in the upper hole. I think my concern back then, was the lower pushrod to the clutch fork, not having enuff travel to disengage the clutch. At that time, I also thought when the clutch fork was being pushed, the floor wasn't allowing total travel, but became an obstacle. That's when I opened up that floor area, to clear the fork. And by lowering the pedal pushrod on the pedal, it would allow more travel for the clutch fork. (Does any of this make sense? :?)

So tomorrow, (VD day), I hope to get back out there, and play around. Enjoy your weekend men.

Oh yeah, I said I'ld show a photo of my preliminary attempt at fabricating a bell crank bracket, on the frame. Sort-ta the way most other Z bar mounts were attached. I did drill and tap it before using. The upper photo shows how close the fork arm is to the floor pan. I believe in that picture the clutch pedal is under pressure. (Maybe?) The entire reason the stick shift bellhousing on the 3rd gens, had the fork arm sticking out lower. I think I have a picture of that too. Here it is. Remember this dilemma? (Already posted pages B4)

Notice the fork arm hole locations? I paid $100 for this bell, thinkin it would make life easier. It also incorporates the BOP bolt pattern.
Did it work-out? Course not. Why? Because the chebby flywheel is a smaller diameter compared to the 166 tooth Poncho. The unibell  is smaller, so the Pontiac ring gear hits the 6 o'clock position of the smaller uni- bell housing. Won't go on.  :-x But we already went thru this. So anyway, after I put my mess away this weekend, I'll be raising the pedal pushrod up, temporarily mounting the brake booster, looking at clearances, and seeing if there's still enuff linkage travel to disengage the clutch disc. OFN.
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #349 on: February 14, 2026, 05:10:38 PM »
Well people, a major milestone has just occurred, (at least for me) regarding this project. And the difference happened in literally a few minutes. But before that, after work yesterday, beginning my weekend "home" and not at work, with me planning my garage time, the Mrs. tells me, "my car is broken". My reaction (?)... :evil: 2013 Sonata 302 code, misfire. Not to bore you, but fortunately it was an easy fix, (this Valentines day) with a coil replacement, that is easier than an oil change. Had to replace one last year, that also crapped out. She tells me she had a garage talk her into replacing them all (4 sillywinder). just a couple yrs before that. Chinese junk. 2 are still left in there, and am waiting for their demise. So much for that distraction.

And on to 84 T/A time. Left off with home-made clutch bracketry, lots of clutch travel, but also tons of pedal pressure. I mentioned a buddy telling me about moving the pedal push rod to an upper hole on the pedal shaft, and VOILAH!!, pedal pressure back to normal. And with clearance in the floor pan, it "appears" to have enuff travel to disengage the clutch. Is it enuff travel? I can wiggle the outer rim of the clutch disc with a screwdriver, and get a .015 feeler stock in there. That's with the pedal on the floor. I'm hoping in the future there will be enuff adjustments to ensure it'll work, "in the field". Time will tell. And here's some final pics of the entire mechanical system, in operational form.
 Below is a view of the pushrod attachment points. You can see the lower hole now empty, and the rod in the top hole. And it's the factory rod, not my shortened custom one, for the lower hole.


 And the lower lever linkage to the clutch fork. Will be cleaning all that "experimental" lever and rod parts up, during the O/H. 
 
And finally the same 2 piece bracket, with the "correct" pushrod coming thru the firewall, and the clearance. I notice some minor deflection on that 2 piece bracket, where they are bolted together, under a load. Not a lot, but with 2 pieces of 1/4" steel bolted together, you'ld think it wouldn't do that. Goes to show how much force is applied to those parts

So, with all the above clutch components functioning properly, the eng. fitted to the mounts, the T5 mounted with its modified tilted tailhousing mount, the torque bar bracket fitted to the tranny,  and the functioning cold air cowl inducted hood system fitted, I think I'm at the point of taking it all apart, and start the rebuild. Which will entail a final pressure wash of under the hood once the eng. is removed.  Then I think I'll focus on rebuilding the 301T, which will include the turbo too. How many modifications will I apply? I've had some ideas, but haven't decided what path to take...yet. I'm sure I'll be recruiting some parts, assistance, and advice from Joe at TTA. (And that's all I'm gunna say about that.) :)
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #350 on: February 15, 2026, 02:34:23 AM »
You have determination here.

Will the exhaust clear this linkage?

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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #351 on: February 15, 2026, 08:37:17 AM »
I believe there is clearance SB. The pushrod in the photo can be cut way down. I'm using it right now cause it's the one that was on it. That, and the lever hanging down need to be tailored and cleaned up. The lever is pretty raggedy.
 I made comments above about rippin everything apart, and start to rebuild the 301, but I think I'll play with the existing exhaust pipes, and revisit those areas, like I did a few pages back. Also the wiring, the throttle cable, and the accessory mounting, (like the alternator, and P/S pump) will need adapting. I'm sure those will take some time and finessing to make work. I'll need-ta see how much of those items from the past, are still in my collection.
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« Reply #352 on: February 17, 2026, 04:03:25 PM »
And speaking of rummaging thru parts, the brackets mounting the accessories have been in my stash for literally 3 decades, (since I remember seeing them). And I'm sure, (at least for the original alternator) that I scabbed it for another job, and probably removed the 301T brackets, and "set them aside"...30 something yrs ago.  :-?  I've spent a few hrs over the last couple days "searching", but to no avail. I'm sure they're here...somewhere...but I found a set-up for my P/S pump on Ebay, reasonable. So they should be arriving by the weekend. Same problem with the alt brackets, but I'm not buying them yet, because I'm hoping to be able to mount it on the passenger side, rather than on top of the P/S pump, like the factory did, due to the AC compressor and smoke grinder, (which I've removed both) .

However, in my search, I "did" find the 301T 80 T/A throttle cable, and bracketry, which is a relief for me. I'm in the middle of mocking it up, and will post more pics when the P/S pump brackets arrive. OFN..again.
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #353 on: February 17, 2026, 07:06:25 PM »
Ya, that's the worst. There are so many things I know i kept 30 years ago and can't find them. My problem is, I have a lot of parts from every project or planed project to search through. Many we moved from my prior house 16 years ago too...
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #354 on: February 18, 2026, 08:15:45 AM »
Huge congrats on the final fitment on the clutch and all the chassis components. Now that the car is mostly together could you possibly fire it up and drive it around? I know I'd be so tempted if I were you.

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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #355 on: February 18, 2026, 04:34:11 PM »
LOL. Funny you say that RG, cause I have thought about it, B4 ripping it all totally down. But there is still "SO" much more small stuff needing attention, like the throttle cable I was messing with yesterday. I thought I found the original 80 301T one, but not so sure now. It's not much different in length form the 84 cable. And of course, the eng., (which i drove into my garage around 1990) had about 150K on it, and altho it ran, it didn't run well. And it's sat in my garage, under some metal shelving, since the day I pulled it from the car. Probably still has the old oil in it from then. i really wasn't a fan of that eng. in those days, and was more interested in my 73 T/A. (which is sitting right next to the 84 right now).

But the 84/301T "brainstorm", came around about the 2000 early teens, when my 79 Formula/T/A clone, W-72 400, stick shift, 3.42 car got no better than 12-14 MPGs, and I ended up driving further to my companys new building "10 miles from my house!!!" :shock: And the cars body was shot, and had a long life. So it was time to go.
I was in my 40s at the time, and had never driven more that 7 miles to any of my jobs. And the old building was only 1.5 miles from my house, that I went to for almost 15 yrs. (I know...boo hoo... cause most people drive much further to their work. My sympathy's) i was spoiled.
So anyways, I already had the "little" 301T engine, and inherited the 84 T/A, so I figured if I put the 2 together, maybe I could make a DD that was fun to drive, and get better mileage to and from work. Well, that's not gunna happen, 1 reason Craig Hendrickson, (H-O Pontiac) answered a PM I had sent him asking advice, and he told me the 301T, and "good" gas mileage, was an oxymoron". :lol: Plus, I'm gettin close to retirement, so I won't need-ta worry about good gas mileage. Just will need-ta worry about gettin "any" gas. At the rate I'm goin, EVs will have taken over.  :mad:

So, to finally conclude this explanation RG, it was a good thought to fire this thing up, but not even close right now. Still waiting mail order brackets, and worse than that, I now have-ta go crawling thru my 100 yr old farmhouse attic, chasing wires to see why my hall lights, (4 way sw), and an outlet have quit working.
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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #356 on: February 19, 2026, 09:09:36 AM »
Oh man, you can't be that far away. Just rig it up roadkill style with a gas jug in the engine compartment and make a quick throttle cable. Enough for proof of concept that it runs and drives.  8)

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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #357 on: February 19, 2026, 03:17:07 PM »
 :grin: I like your enthusiasm RG. Seriously, I do. But things like the starter, (i haven't put one together for it yet), no brake booster, or M/C, carb hasn't had fuel in it for 30+ yrs, and on and on. I don't know if I even put all the flywheel bolts on it. just been mocking everything up, to see if I can make it work, B4 spending extra $. I know it'll run after I rebuild everything. And as much as I would like to hear it, I need-ta get a few more things in order B4 I try runnin it. My P/S pump brackets "just" came in, so I want to get that into focus...again. And I think I've figured a way to modify the throttle cable to work. Will keep all informed. See ya. :)
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« Reply #358 on: February 22, 2026, 04:47:57 PM »
And the "beat goes on". Quite a few hrs invested, with some fwd progress. Satisfyingly is the mounting of the P/S pump. The brackets purchased worked perfectly, so I can cross that off the list.
Next concern is the alt. mounting. As I previously mentioned, I refrained from buying the factory alt. bracket/s because I was considering a RHS mount, "but" as I got the P/S pump mounted, I see that all I need to mount the alt. in it's original location, is the large frt bracket. And I did have one in my stash, but I wasn't able to make it work before. Maybe if I reinvestigated, I could. After trying this weekend, it's a given The bracket won't cut it. After researching on line, I see that RHS mounting isn't as common as I was hoping, so for $20 and shipping I purchased the factory correct plate, (for now) and am waiting for it to arrive...in a week. It amazes me how many of this style mounting plate is available. Unfortunately there are so many different ones, not one size fits all. :(
Below is what I started out with. You can see the frt bracket won't wrap around or clear the alt. fins. Its shape is wrong. It does bolt everywhere else tho.

And once again, I started hunting for the right one, and low and behold, what did I see? On the frt of my 73 T/A, I see where I must have put it.  :shock:

OMG! Is that where it's been all this time? So I ripped it off, and tried it on the 301, and.....No...It wasn't it. The shape looked better than the one I had, but not exactly from photos I've seen. So now I wait for the mail order one to arrive. Now I will post this, and my next one will be of the throttle cable modification.

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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #359 on: February 22, 2026, 06:39:55 PM »
To start off with, the carb mounting on the 301T motor, is closer to the drivers side than the centrally mounted QJ on the 305. The original cable was still attached to the firewall, and below you can see how long it is.

So what are my options? Are there different length cables available thru the aftermarket? Is there a factory one that'll fit? (I doubt it). So I knew the original wasn't gunna work, so I removed it, to examine it. And it wasn't an easy task, workin under the dash, peelin back the floor insulation, ect. All that was needed was to compress the ears on the plastic firewall "clip" (?). Don't even know the proper terminology. All I know is, under the dash in these 3rd gens aren't for the faint of heart. (No room to work). This is what the plastic clip looks like from underneath. At this point, I had cleared the insulation to access it, and finally got it unclipped and pushed thru the firewall. In the foreground is the rubber washer that seals it, (that's slid down to the end), and the swedged end for the pedal. The pic below it, is of the cable unclamped from under the hood.


And below is a comparison of the original, to another one I found in my stash. In the past, as I disassembled a few firebirds, I wasn't too dedicated to labeling everything, cause I hadn't planned on reusing this stuff. Now...I wish I did a better job. Some stuff I did, but obviously, not enuff. On the replacement one, I did have a bracket to mount a cable to the back bolts of the QJ.

Now a plan is needed to shorten the 2nd one. How do you do that? Because this one is an extra, and I didn't wanna cut the original, i started hacking away at the extra one.
Step 1, was to see if I could remove the black plastic clip for the firewall, W/O destrorying it. It was needed to mount the cable but needs to be slid up to be shorter, and I figured it was molded to the cable housing. And it was "tight". Long story short, by using a cutoff wheel on a Dremmel, I sliced it lengthwise, pried it apart, then heated it with a heat gun to soften the plastic, and twisted it loose...finally. I'm not gunna show you how ugly the cut was, so you'll have-ta use your imagination. :lol: But I was able to remove it, and think it'll be reusable. In the upper photo you can see the clip differences. Below is the cable in pieces, and cut. Unfortunately I didn't remove enuff, and had to cut the outter cable housing twice. You can see the carb picture showin how much i missed by. 


The method I used to shorten the cable housing, was to take the cutoff wheel, and "GENTLY" slice into it a little at a time. Till it reached a red insulating tube for the inner cable. And as much as I hated to, I  committed myself to cutting off the swedged end off, to remove the cut up cable housing pieces, and slide them off. I then mounted the removed pieces to check the length. As I said, above, I had-ta cut the housing twice B4 I honed into the right length. Below is the "temporarily" assembled cable, with a pic of the Keystone clamping tool I'll use to clamp the clip on. And the final length I'm hoping will work.


And because the clip on the cable for the firewall isn't a perfect fit, I'll need-ta improvise something to attach it more securely. I'm pretty optimistic it'll work. So that's it for now folks. hoping no-one has posted whilst I've been working this post. It's taken a while. I'll answer if needed.


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Re: 84 301T
« Reply #359 on: February 22, 2026, 06:39:55 PM »
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