Author Topic: What clutch  (Read 692 times)

roadking77

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 13268
What clutch
« on: March 27, 2023, 06:02:25 AM »
I am hoping that my motor will be home soon now. I will need to get the clutch installed to the T10 4 speed. I know nothing about these kind of things. What and where should I get one? I see them in summit, dont know if I can get something at NAPA. The motor will be slightly warmed over, I dont plan on racing and I know how to drive a clutch. I dont think I need something race ready but would like a good quality part that will remain trouble free for as long as possible. I wont say money is not an object but I dont mind spending a bit more for the right part. However I dont want to spend a lot on a part just for a name either.
Finished!
77 T/A - I will Call this one DONE!
79 TATA 4sp-Next Project?
79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
'38-CZ 250
'39-BSA Gold Star
'49-Triumph 350
'52-Ariel Red Hunter
'66-BSA Lightning
'01-HD RoadKing

scarebird

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1903
  • Former brake guy
Re: What clutch
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2023, 07:14:47 AM »
I have had good luck with the brand McLeod.

5th T/A

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1403
Re: What clutch
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2023, 08:18:24 AM »
I have no idea what is a good clutch nowadays. Some of the heavy duty pressure plates can be hard on your left foot. It goes without saying the flywheel should be machined or replaced along with the a new pilot and throw out bearing. An easy driven clutch can last forever and today having a stick shift car is a theft deterrent system.
1980 T/A with a Pontiac 461

Gone but not forgotten;
1973 T/A 455
1975 T/A 400
1978 T/A W72
1982 T/A cross fire injected

Two wheel toys;
2014 Harley Ultra Classic Limited
2013 Honda CB1100
2010 Yamaha Vmax
1982 Yamaha Seca 750

roadking77

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 13268
Re: What clutch
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2023, 11:52:42 AM »
Flywheel is supposed to have been redone with the motor. I would prefer something easy on the leg, lol. My knees arent what they used to be  :shock:
Finished!
77 T/A - I will Call this one DONE!
79 TATA 4sp-Next Project?
79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
'38-CZ 250
'39-BSA Gold Star
'49-Triumph 350
'52-Ariel Red Hunter
'66-BSA Lightning
'01-HD RoadKing

scarebird

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1903
  • Former brake guy
Re: What clutch
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2023, 12:01:40 PM »
One thing I noted with the McLeod was much less effort compared to the AC Delco unit (failed in 2 years) even though it had good clamping power.

Re: What clutch
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2023, 12:01:40 PM »

tinpusher

  • Active Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 403
Re: What clutch
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2023, 04:55:47 PM »
I use to work on transmissions, we used Luk clutch kits in the late 80’s.
When I rebuilt my79 400/4 speed a few years ago, I used the same kit and do not have any issues with a warmed over 400… easy on the knees.

phil400

  • Active Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 481
Re: What clutch
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2023, 05:10:06 AM »
Only thing I don't like with the Luk clutch kits is the T/O bearing is plastic. Clutch a pressure plate work very well.
78 T/A 4 speed, original paint, match #s, mine since ‘99, 3rd & final owner as long as I'm alive.
77 T/A sold
85 Monte Carlo SS sold
83 Mustang GT sold
https://youtube.com/@classicdriversgarage108

81Blackbird

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1350
Re: What clutch
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2023, 05:32:46 AM »
After running the Centerforce setup for many years, I switched to McLeod.  I pulled the tranny and while I was there I decided to replace the old CF with a new one just because it was 20 year old but low miles. Always had trouble getting into first and reverse and the new setup was even worst.  Come to find out the pressure plate was not completely disengaging.  And yes the pivot ball geometry and TO bearing were correct.  Put in the McLeod and it works great.   First and reverse slide right in.  The McLeod has a slightly heavier pedal than stock on paper but nothing really noticeable at the pedal.

roadking77

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 13268
Re: What clutch
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2023, 06:50:06 AM »
Thanks for all the advice. I cant remember now to whom I was talking but they said getting into first was tricky at times? Interesting.
Finished!
77 T/A - I will Call this one DONE!
79 TATA 4sp-Next Project?
79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
'38-CZ 250
'39-BSA Gold Star
'49-Triumph 350
'52-Ariel Red Hunter
'66-BSA Lightning
'01-HD RoadKing

70_71_78

  • Active Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 354
Re: What clutch
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2023, 09:27:47 AM »
I used a Hayes racing borg and beck style pressure plate and disk behind my built 455. OK it was a little stiff at the clutch pedal, but always hooked well. Used a similar Hayes behind the 400+ cube small block chevy in the fiberglass bodied CJ7 I built as well and it also held up well. I am sure that the materials and technology have advanced considerably since the '80's and I have not looked into their products lately.

FormTA

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 5594
  • Life is short, have fun, Drive a T/A
Re: What clutch
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2023, 10:22:39 AM »
I'm sure it's useless info now but back when my car was a stick I just went up to the counter at Murray's auto parts and asked for a flywheel and clutch for my car.... I doubt that would work now...
79 Trans am low buck LS swapped
79 Formula 301 (Work in progress)
67 RS Camaro (waiting it's turn)
69 Dodge charger on late model charger chassis
49 Ford F1 on a 2003 Chevy ZR2 Chassis (current project)
Names, Luke. If I hear anyone telling me they're my father....

gstrandfarm9420

  • Active Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 146
Re: What clutch
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2023, 02:52:43 PM »
Be sure the linkage and release fork are not worn, if they are, replace or repair them. Save you a lot of grief later. I've always wished mine was a 4 speed, much more fun.

tajoe

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 5264
Re: What clutch
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2023, 04:44:05 PM »
I'll bet there are only a few manufacturers of clutches. And most aftermarket companies put their names on them. If you're not running slicks, and because most 2nd gens are garage queens, seeing limited driving, I'll bet a stock diaphragm clutch will suit you well, and no-one will know the difference. You can even paint it, (like I did) and tell people it's a race clutch.  :)
"You can sell an old man a young mans car,
but you can't sell a young man an old mans car"
                                       Bunkie Knudsen
<

81Blackbird

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1350
Re: What clutch
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2023, 02:59:38 AM »
Of course check all your bushings.  I had a lot of play and had to replace the Upper Clutch Pushrod to Pedal Bushing.  Made a big difference on the adjustment.

roadking77

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 13268
Re: What clutch
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2023, 05:59:01 AM »
Yea, def not racing. Branding is not important to me as much as performance. I want something that will work as it should. Everything will be new/re-built, linkage, bushings etc.
Finished!
77 T/A - I will Call this one DONE!
79 TATA 4sp-Next Project?
79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
'38-CZ 250
'39-BSA Gold Star
'49-Triumph 350
'52-Ariel Red Hunter
'66-BSA Lightning
'01-HD RoadKing

Re: What clutch
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2023, 05:59:01 AM »

81Blackbird

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1350
Re: What clutch
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2023, 08:20:26 AM »
Don't know how particular you are, but I had the flywheel and pressure plate balanced as a unit.  I'm sure they are well balanced individually but there was a small amount of weight that was added.

roadking77

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 13268
Re: What clutch
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2023, 05:19:19 AM »
Perfect, I will check into the balancing.
Finished!
77 T/A - I will Call this one DONE!
79 TATA 4sp-Next Project?
79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
'38-CZ 250
'39-BSA Gold Star
'49-Triumph 350
'52-Ariel Red Hunter
'66-BSA Lightning
'01-HD RoadKing

Re: What clutch
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2023, 05:19:19 AM »
You can help support TAC!